Trying To FOIL The City

On August 11th I FOILed the city for the bills submitted by Mark Schachner related to his work on the Text Amendment (in reality the zoning for Saratoga National Golf Course).  Today I received a letter from the city attorney, Vince DeLeonardis, telling me that “you may reasonably expect a response, granting or denying this request, in approximately twenty (20) business days.”

Twenty business days is the maximum time they have to respond.  The twenty days will be up around September 14th.  Having been through this issue with the Saratoga Springs Housing Authority, I know that invoices for legal work are covered by the Freedom of Information Law.  It should not be much of a challenge to find Schachner’s invoices.  Why it should take twenty days is really unclear.

The Planning Board Sends Its Zoning and Comprehensive Changes To The City Council

In a letter dated August 19, 2015, Mark Torpey, chairman of the Planning Board, sent the changes to the zoning laws and the comprehensive plan to the city council. Apparently, such actions are done through the Commissioner of Accounts which in this case is John Franck to whom the letter was written.Letter From Planning Board With Zoning Changes

I will be doing a further analysis of this but one striking anomaly/contradiction is the committee’s assertion that the changes to the zoning law to allow a golf resort in the city’s RR1 district (greenbelt) are consistent with the comprehensive plan. The contradiction is that the changes recommended in the letter include amending the comprehensive plan to allow “resorts.”

Here I quote from the Planning Board letter regarding the comprehensive plan change:

Add a sentence to the last paragraph of the Section entitled “Country Overlay Map” as follows:

The intent of this section is not to prohibit or permit any land use activity but instead to reaffirm that open space values be taken into consideration in development proposals within the Country Overlay Area. For example, a properly designed [ golf ] resort development with sufficient open space and natural resources protection and opportunities for public recreation could provide positive contributions to the City as well as to the long term preservation of the surrounding greenbelt.

It is unclear why the word golf is in brackets. Could there be other kinds of resorts? I do not know and I will try to find out.

The central issue here is that if, as a majority of the Planning Board asserted, changing the zoning to allow for a resort was consistent with the comprehensive plan, why is there a need to amend the comprehensive plan? This Alice in Wonderland logic is just another example of how tortured this process has been and how much a wealthy and influential player in Saratoga Springs can affect public policy.

Please also note that the language calls for setting aside 50% of the land to be “dedicated for open space purposes. The open space protected pursuant to this section must have ‘conservation value,’ which shall be determined by a conservation analysis as described in city code 241-12B(2)”  Conservation Easement Chapter 241 12B(2)

Basically, a conservation analysis looks at how much land can actually be built on. This analysis would exclude wetlands, stream buffers, land that has sufficient drop to make it not suitable for construction, etc. There are also some other terms involving critical habitat, archeological value, etc. What is left after these lands are excluded in the analysis is referred to as “unconstrained land “(for developers this is the good stuff).

It is important to note that the easement of this land is supposed to be perpetual.

Michael Toohey droned on at length about the generosity of Saratoga National Golf Course’s support for this change. What he failed to mention is that if this were a proposal for a residential subdivision they would have to do the same analysis and they would be subject to the same limit of building on 50% of the “unconstrained land” just as in SNGC’s resort. There is a significant difference in that the balance of the land in a subdivision would not be required to go into an easement to allow public access. Still, since SNGC cannot use this 50% for development, they are not making any real sacrifice in allowing the public to use it. One outstanding question that still needs to be answered is where the actual golf course fits in. If 50% of the land must go into an easement, would there be enough land other than the golf course and buildings to provide the 50%? I do not know. I will see if I can get answers.

Who Is Buying Your City? The List of The Saratoga PAC Donors

I went on the New York State Board of Elections and found the July report for the Saratoga PAC.

With a little more work I was able to identify who most of the donors were.

One interesting element is that Cliff Van Wagner and Tom Lewis who are on the Saratoga Springs Planning Board gave generously as well as Linda and Michael Toohey.  All are involved in the Saratoga National issue.  The Tooheys gave a combined total of over $5000.00.

This is the list of the Saratoga PAC Donors

It makes very interesting reading.

A Very Troubling Exchange With Michele Madigan

I am saddened by this exchange with Michele Madigan.  We have had our differences over the years but she was always open and direct in a refreshing way.  I invite the readers of this blog to make their own judgments regarding the emails that follow.  In my experience, when a politician refuses to seriously engage on an issue and insists that you wait for the vote, it does not bode well.  One can only hope that in this case things will be different.

I would also draw your attention to our disagreement about the role of Mark Schachner who handles the legal matters regarding land-use law.


To: Michele Madigan

From:John Kaufmann

Date: August 14, 2015

As you know, Saratoga National Golf Course petitioned the city to amend the zoning laws in order to expand their facilities in the city’s greenbelt.  The language was drafted by Michael Toohey.  Three members of the Council, of which you were one,  passed this language on to the Planning Board for their advisement.

When the Planning Board met in a workshop to review the text amendment, they dismissed most of it as inconsistent with zoning law.

You had previously expressed reservations about the language in Toohey’s amendment.   Apparently you decided to meet with Mark Schachner, the lawyer the city uses for land use issues, and asked him to come up with language that could withstand challenge to accomplish what in effect Toohey ,  the SNGC attorney, could not.  At the public expense, Mr. Schachner then crafted new language.

Over the thoughtful objections of the Planning Board chairman, the Planning Board adopted Mr. Schachner’s language.  They made three changes in the document.  They increased the number of stand-alone residences from five to six.  They filled in the spaces indicating the amount of land to be set aside for permanent easement to be 50%.  They amended the comprehensive plan to allow for a golf resort.

You have made previous statements that your support for changing the zoning was contingent on two things.

  1.  that all but the twenty-five acres on which the construction will take place, must be put into a permanent easement.  This would include the golf course.
  2. that the comprehensive plan not be changed

In light of the fact that the document approved by the Planning Board fails to comply with your two requirements, do you expect to vote for or against its adoption.

The citizens of Saratoga Springs have a reasonable right to know whether you plan to hold to your promises prior to the night of the meeting.  It is important to note that Schachner’s work was critical in coming up with language to effectively save the text amendment.  Since he did this at your request, you are now the architect of saving the text amendment and in effect, making it possible for Saratoga National Golf Course to get the change in the city zoning to achieve their goals.  I look forward to your answers.


To: John Kaufmann

From: Michele Madigan

Date: August 16, 2015

John, I think you are confused about the process here.

Firstly, your continual mischaracterizations of Mark Schachner’s work on this issue shows a lack of understanding of how our City government works. The Council asked the Planning Board for an advisory opinion; Mark Schachner is the City’s retained legal expert on such matters. It’a only natural that the Planning Board discuss these issues with our attorney versus relying on the legal work of an attorney who represents the interests of a private landowner who may prefer broad and sweeping changes to our Comprehensive Plan and zoning ordinances. Why you would suggest that the Planning Board and the Council should rely on Mike Toohey’s work on and not on our own legal counsel is beyond me.

Secondly, I am one of five voting members of our City Council. The City and County Planning Boards do not tell me what I can or cannot vote on, they merely provide advisory opinions. No matter has been brought forward for a vote by the Council, nor will there be on one (sic) Tuesday Aug 18. When an amendment is brought forward for my consideration I will vote accordingly, and my vote will be in line with what I have said – to you, to the public, to anyone – on this matter. I really do not know how much clearer I can be with you. You keep asking the same questions – and asking them prematurely – and I keep giving you the same answer.

Thank you,

Commissioner Michele Madigan (and by the way I spell my first name with only 1L.  I do like to see my name spelled correctly.  Thanks again.)


To: MIchele Madigan

From: John Kaufmann

Date: August 16, 2015


I am very grateful, and the readers of my blog should appreciate, your willingness to engage on not only this issue but all the issues that the Council must address.  One of the things I have always admired about you is your openness and accessibility.  You have a history of being one the most open and direct people on the Council.  It is for this reason that I am utterly confused that on the issue of this text amendment, which has now been formally sent to the Council from the Planning Board, that you are unwilling to discuss the problems with it, in particular, the issue of whether what they are recommending for an easement is sufficient to meet your requirements.  I also do not understand your unwillingness to share your thoughts about whether the Comprehensive Plan should be amended for this.  For someone who has always been forthright in discussing your concerns and in educating the community about many public policy issues, I am just lost to understand your reticence to share your analysis on this stuff.

We seem to be talking by each other when it comes to Mark Schachner.  I have no problem with Mark Schachner offering an opinion to members of the Council or the Planning Board on the legality of what Mark Toohey has put forward for amending the city zoning law.  My difficulty is that after Mark Schachner accurately exposed the poverty of Toohey’s language for amending the zoning code, he rewrote it so that it would achieve what Saratoga National Golf Course was seeking in order to make it more legally defensible (I still question whether  what he produced is not spot zoning).  I do not think that the taxpayers of this city should be paying our attorney to rework Toohey’s botched language.  I think the point is fairly obvious.  I am a little surprised that you would think that I want you to take Michael Toohey’s advice about anything.

As for misspelling your name, you have every right to take me to task for it.  I owe you a glass of the wine of your choice as a mea culpa for being so sloppy.



On the evening of August 16 Michele texted me to indicate that she was satisfied with her response and that we were talking around each other so there would be no further exchange on this.

More On SPAC

On Tuesday evening the Lincoln Center Chamber Society will be performing an all Russian program.  They have announced that persons between the age of twenty-one and thirty-nine will be able to purchase tickets for only $20.00.

There is also a 50% off sale for Thursday nights Philadelphia Orchestra concert.  The offer expires August 19th.  To get the discount use the code WUHAN by phone, at the box office, or on line at SPAC.ORG

Here is a link to the program:

The pianist Wu Han will be the soloist.

The Strange And On Going Tale Of the Collamer Lot Sale


This story is about the conflict over the land deal to sell the Collamer Parking lot and purchase a parcel to build a public safety facility on the city’s eastside.  The city is currently defending itself against a lawsuit that challenges the deal and an inquiry by the New York State Attorney General. My interest in this story was piqued by the last city council meeting.  At the meeting the city council agenda included a request for additional moneys to pay attorneys who are defending the city in these matters.  My friend, Remigia Foy, excoriated the council for considering such expenditure.

Briefly, Joel Aronson who owns the Algonquin Building would purchase the Collamer lot which adjoins his building for $750,000.00 and at the same time, the city would purchase a parcel of land in the vicinity of Union Avenue and Gilbert Road for $200,000 to build its facility on.

To me, the most interesting thing about this is the strange role being played by Joel Aronson.  Many decades ago Mr. Aronson’s father ran a successful furniture store (Standard Furniture) for many years on the first floor of the Algonquin Building.  The senior Mr. Aronson speculated heavily in property throughout the city which his sons inherited.

The property being sought by the city is currently owned by the Congregation & Yeshiva Pardes Yosef D’Chasidei Belz.  It is a conservative Jewish religious group of which Mr. Aronson is apparently a member.  I think it is reasonable to assume that the property originally was owned by Mr. Aronson.  When it became the property of the religious body the property conveniently became tax exempt.  This was very fortunate since it cost nothing to leave the land undeveloped.  What seems very odd is that this group somehow became interested in a deal in which they sell their property and Joel Aronson ends up purchasing a very valuable parking lot next to his building.  As noted in Commissioner Mathiesen’s narrative a considerable amount of negotiations were carried out with an agent of Mr. Aronson.

In New York, when a piece of property owned by a religious group is sold, it requires the approval of the Attorney General of New York State.  No one is challenging what the city is paying for the parcel of land owned by the religious group and if the appraisal is sound, the price is fair.  It is probably legal but it appears that the religious group has interests that have slid into the temporal realm.

In order to understand the conflict that surrounds this sale I spoke at length with Commissioner Chris Mathiesen and with Tom McTygue and his brother Billy.  I have done my best to fairly and accurately present both of their positions as they expressed them to me.   I attempted to interview Mayor Joanne Yepsen for this article.  In response to my request she emailed me indicating that she was traveling with her son and asked that I forward my questions to her.  I emailed back saying that it needed to be an interview.  She never responded.

This photo shows the location of the Collamer Parking Lot.

Collamer Lot

This photo shows the location of where the planned EMS/Fire Station would go if the RFP were finalized.


Tom McTygue’s Narrative

Tom began by noting that the suit was brought by himself, Remigia Foy, and Raymond Watkin.  All three were past elected officials who had served on the City Council and were experienced in the procedures that dictate city acquisitions.  He asserted that the suit was brought because on multiple levels the process used to transact the deal was flawed.

Tom said that their attorney had requested that the judge put the lawsuit on hold pending the outcome of the Attorney General’s inquiry.  He had not heard from the attorney what the judge had decided but assumed that it was on hold.

Tom noted that there was no disagreement about the need for an emergency response facility on the eastside.  He does disagree with many aspects, however.  First, he does not think there is a need for a full blown fire station/ambulance facility on the eastside.  He believes that all that is required is a modest building to house an ambulance and the staff to run it.  He believes that Empire Ambulance, which is the backup service for the city, could staff it in the short run and that city employees could eventually take responsibility for it.  He thinks a smaller piece of property could be purchased and if not, as a last resort, that the city should take land using eminent domain.  He emphasized that using eminent domain would be a last resort, but he says that years ago when he was Commissioner they seized a property and it was done quickly and inexpensively.  He asserted that Commissioner Mathiesen’s plan to use mostly existing staff to operate the new facility is poorly considered.  To accomplish this, the city would be reducing the firemen on the trucks from four to three.  He concedes that the chief believes this is doable but notes that the union does not and that he himself, having been a fireman, believes that it will put the firemen in jeopardy.  Tom believes that if the station is built, eventually the city will have to hire additional staff which he believes will be expensive and not necessary.

He also wondered why the city was not working more closely with the Town of Saratoga Emergency Squad which could help provide service for the eastern plateau area of the city.

Tom and his brother, Billy, believe that the appraisal for the Collamer lot was flawed.  The appraiser used the Lillian’s parking lot as the base for the appraisal.  Billy contends two things:

  1. The appraiser used as the “valuation date” the date the property was actually sold in 2012 instead of the date when the bid of $750,000.00 was made which was in 2006.  He contends that the property value would have increased during the six years.
  2. The appraiser determined the square foot value based on the property in 2012 rather than the property as it was offered for bid.  The footage of the property had changed during the six years.  When the property was actually finally sold, Mayor Johnson agreed to include a walk way that while it would be owned by Bonnacio would remain a public access area.  The original RFP described the space as 16,553 square feet.  The appraiser included the walk way in his appraisal.  Including the walkway increased the square footage to 20,037 square feet.  This was an additional 3,484 square feet.  The result was to reduce the value per square foot.  He argued that this diluted square foot value ended up underestimating the value of the Collamer lot.  Based just on the square footage alone, he believes the Collamer lot was undervalued by $172,000.00.

There was also the fact that Joseph Zappone, an attorney from Latham, had offered the city $1.1 million for the property the night the Council agreed on the contracts and later came back with an appraisal for the property of $1.6 million.

Tom believes that the process by which the deal was made was highly questionable.  He asserted that the city and Joel Aronson had been negotiating for months and had determined the prices of both properties prior to the RFP being issued.  He also noted that the RFP was written in such a restricted fashion that Aronson was the only possible respondent.

In 2007 the city produced a report on its public safety needs called the LaBelle Report.  Tom noted that the report identified a property on Dyer Switch Road owned by Belmonte builders as one of the possible locations although it was not for sale.  He questioned how hard the city pursued its search for properties and said the city should have been prepared to use eminent domain if necessary to get the land they wanted.  Had they done this there would have been no need to sell the Collamer parking lot.

He could not explain why the City Council repeatedly voted unanimously for the concept and the eventual contracts.  He did note that Mayor Joanne Yepsen voted against hiring the Nixon Peabody law firm to defend the city in the lawsuit.  He questioned the enormous amount of money the city was paying the law firm.

Billy McTygue had laid his concerns out in correspondence to the city council.  The Email To The Council

The Statement To The Council

Chris Mathiesen’s Narrative

Before he was elected, Mathiesen met with Bob Williams, the fire chief, to learn about the issues facing a new Public Safety Commissioner.  Williams described the problems the FIRE/EMS Department faced regarding response times throughout the City and cited the need for a third station on the east side.  He gave Mathiesen a copy of a 2007 study that analyzed possible sites that would allow better response times for the eastern plateau area as well as coordinated operation with the other two stations.  Written by consultants one of the key issues was the lack of prompt response time on the eastern side of the city.  The target was to reach victims in less than ten minutes.

Starting in 1992 firefighters were trained in emergency medical services.  In February of 2012, the Saratoga Emergency Medical Service ceased operations.  The Fire/EMS Department took over the ambulance transport responsibilities with Empire Ambulance serving as back-up. This was a logical transition, he argued, with the added benefit of bringing in $800,000.00 in revenue for its services.  It also made more acute the importance of addressing the need for effective response times to the East side of the city.

The study identified an area East of the Northway in the general vicinity of Gilbert Road and Union Avenue as the prime location for a recommended fire and emergency facility.  According to Mathiesen, five to six percent of calls come from the far eastside of the city.  The study noted that the location should be part of a comprehensive plan for the city.  For example, placing the facility at the extreme edge of the city’s eastern end would limit its reach.  The area along the Union Avenue corridor would give it the greatest flexibility of reaching the most people beyond where the downtown station was.

The Public Safety office then began to search for available land.  They contacted a number of landowners in the area including the Malatinos who own a horse farm there but there was little interest.  They did find a good location by Meadowbrook and Union Avenue.  The problem was that it was predominantly wetlands.  They contacted DEC.  DEC said that in order for them to do infill in the wetland, they would have to provide three times the land somewhere else.  There were also major engineering problems with making the sight viable.  It was scrapped.

Mayor Johnson proposed the land that the city now uses for waterfront access but based on the 2007 study, it was not properly located.

It was around this time that Mathiesen noticed a sign on the land adjacent to the church near the Gilbert Road intersection offering property for sale.  Mathiesen asked his deputy, Eileen Fineran to follow up on this.  When she called the number it was Joel Aronson who responded.  He told her he was representing the Congregation & Yeshiva Pardes Yosef D’Chasidei Belz who actually owned the property.

Of the 14 plus acres, approximately eight was dry land and much of that was above the 500 year flood plain.  The parcel was listed for $725,000.00.  The Aronsons own the Algonquin building which is across the street from the City Center.  They were already working with Sonny Bonaccio on rehabbing the building.  They asked Mathiesen if he would be willing to consider some kind of deal in which the city would sell them the parking lot beside the Algonquin and in turn would buy the parcel on the East side.  Mathiesen contacted the city attorneys to find out if this were possible and worth pursuing.  Joe Scalla who was then the City Attorney under Mayor Johnson and Tony Izzo the Assistant City Attorney said it was possible and to come back when they had more information.

Mathiesen met with Larry Novick who was employed by Bonnacio but was authorized to work on the deal for the Arononsons.  They agreed to both get appraisals on the properties and then meet again.

Mathiesen then asked John Franck for an appraiser and Franck recommended Armstrong Appraisers with offices in Clifton Park.  David Fonatana was assigned by Armstrong to do the appraisal.  He came up with $775,000.00 for the city parking lot and $200,000.00 for the land parcel.

When they met again, Novick did not have an appraisal for the parking lot but the appraised value for the parcel he claimed was $725,000.00.  Mathiesen told them that in light of the Armstrong appraisal, the answer was no.

Some weeks later Aronson contacted Mathiesen and offered to sell the property for $400,000.00.  Again, Mathiesen declined.

Some weeks later, Aronson again contacted Mathiesen, this time offering to sell for $300,000.00.  Again Mathiesen declined.

A month went by and Mathiesen told me he thought the whole thing was dead when he was contacted by Aronson who said they would accept $200,000.00.

It was then discussed in executive session by the City Council.  Following the executive session Johnson opposed the plan because he thought the staffing would be too expensive and because he did not like the deal.

The attorneys believed that due to the unique circumstances of the location and in light of the appraisals, the transaction did not require a bid.  Nevertheless, Commissioners Franck and Madigan said they would feel more comfortable if it went out as an RFP specifying both the area for the parcel and the Collamer parking lot.  It was still possible that someone in that area might come up with the land that was needed.

In the end, the only response to the RFP was from Aronson.

Roughly around this time Bill McTygue wrote Mathiesen a letter arguing that it was a mistake to sell the Collamer Lot.  He believed that the lot could be used for better purposes.  He also proposed land off Meadowbrook Road as another option.

Mathiesen believed that the Meadowbrook location was not suitable in light of the 2007 analysis.

A little history is in order here.  Back in 2005-6, Billy and his brother Tom had proposed a mixed use development for the area behind City hall and included the Collamer Lot.  They envisioned, among other things, a movie theater as part of a mixed use development.  Tom issued an RFP and there were two responses.  As it turned out, the decision to go forward failed on a three to two vote of the Council.

Just after that, the economy went sour with the 2008 crash and any interest in development for that area went into dormancy.

Back to the story, some critics suggested that the city should have used its power of eminent domain to get the land.  Mathiesen told me that there were a number of problems with this approach.  The first was that since with eminent domain they could theoretically choose any property, this brought with it the thorny problem of which land they would seize.  The second was that seizure involves lengthy and very expensive legal actions.

Aronson would be developing the Collamer lot property for mixed commercial and residential use.  This would provide the kind of infilling that was part of the overall strategy for downtown.  There was also the argument that the gap of the parking lot weakened the pedestrian flow between downtown and the City Center.  There was also the argument that as a privately owned building it would provide significant tax income for the city.

On December 17th, 2013, in a four to one vote with Mayor Johnson the lone dissenter, the council voted to approve the general deal and directed the City Attorneys to work on the necessary contracts.  Johnson’s primary opposition was based on what he feared would be additional ongoing costs associated with staffing and maintaining the facility.

According to Mathiesen, both City Attorneys, Matt Dorsey and Tony Izzo, saw no problem with the agreement.  The City Assessor supported the agreed upon property values as fair.

Izzo began to work with Michael Toohey, attorney for Aronson, on the contracts.  A number of issues came up.  There was concern about how to minimize the loss of parking that would result from the construction.  At the time, it was assumed that the City Center parking structure would be done soon and there was interest in trying to coordinate the timing of the two projects.  It was decided to delay the construction on the Collamer lot for fifteen months during which time the city would insure and maintain the parking lot.  There was also concern about excessive delays and it was decided to require Aronson to formally begin seeking approvals from the land use boards within eighteen months.

The entire agreement included the caveat that were Aronson to fail to get the required approvals from the land use boards, the deal would be off and the money would be returned to the parties.

As it turned out the time required to resolve the wording for the contracts dragged on and they were not finished until May, 2014.  In July the contracts were finally ready for action.

At the same time, Mayor Yepsen began to raise objections to the project.  She questioned whether the Collamer lot would be more suited to a mixed use project that would include the High Rock parking lot.  She also questioned the nature of the proposed agreement expressing that it did not seem to be a good deal for the city.

The vote on the contracts was then put off until the August 5 meeting.  In the meantime, Sarah Burger contacted the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation questioning the location.  On the day of the meeting she called David Fontana.  Later that day she would claim that Fontana had agreed with her that the proposed price for the Collamer lot was too low.

Mathiesen called Fontana.  Fontana said that he had been traveling when she called him.  He said he was confused by her call and that it had been clear that she wanted him to say that the land was being undervalued but he had assured her that it was not.  She also pressed him that the value may have changed and he indicated to her that the assessment indicated that the value was good for twelve to eighteen months.  He told Mathiesen that he was quite clear with her that he stood by his assessment.

The night of the meeting to finalize the contracts an attorney named Joseph Zappone with a law practice in Latham, New York , appeared at the public comment period of the meeting.  Ms. Burger distributed a proposal he had written in which he offered 1.1 million dollars for the lot.  This was the first time that Mathiesen had heard anything about Mr. Zappone and his proposal.  There were no communications from any other member of the Council regarding this.

Mathiesen said that he had prepared the State Environmental Quality Review application the night before.  The Mayor expressed her concern about the process but in the end a unanimous City Council approved the SEQR and the contracts.

Mathiesen then went on a vacation to Maine.  He said while he was there he learned that the Mayor had not signed the contracts.  He said repeated calls and emails to the Mayor were not returned.

On the Friday after the meeting Zappone delivered another appraisal to the city with a value now of one million six hundred thousand dollars.  The Mayor then announced that she wanted a third appraisal.

Mark Schachner was brought in by the Mayor who said he had problems with the SEQR application.  The SEQR had been for simply the sale of the Collamer lot.  Mark Schachner wanted to delay the closings until the plans for the Collamer lot and the Union Ave. parcel had been finalized, then to do a coordinated SEQRA review with the City Council and all the other involved land use boards.  Mathiesen felt that the land sale and purchase should be able to proceed as stand-alone actions.   Plans for development of both parcels were too far in the future and were not at all immediate.  Mathiesen reaffirmed with Izzo that it only had to deal with the sale.  Mathiesen also contacted the New York State Department of State who also agreed that it only had to deal with the sale of the Collamer lot.  In reviewing the SEQR with Nixon, Peabody which was the firm that later defended the city in the suit, they also agreed that the SEQR only had to address the sale.

Shortly before the August 8 meeting Mathiesen said that Mayor Yepsen called him and told him that Matt Dorsey (Johnson’s attorney) told her he never gave Mathiesen any legal advice about the deal.  She warned him that if this ever got to court and he asserted that he had been advised by Dorsey that he would be vulnerable to perjury.  When Eileen Finneran called Dorsey, he told her that Sarah Burger had called him and tried to get him to say that he had not advised Mathiesen and he had refused.

The Mayor also told him that the City Assessor, Tony Popalizzio had told her that the assessment was too low.  Mathiesen pointed out that Commissioner Franck, who the assessor works for, had confirmed that his office believed the offer was fair.  Popalizzion had told Mathiesen that the Mayor had tried to get him to agree that the offer was too low but that he refused.

At the next meeting the Mayor said she would not sign the contract.  She moved that the city seek a third assessment.  She could not get a second for her motion.  She signed the contract.

I asked Mathiesen about the issue of how the proposed facility would be staffed.  He indicated that Fire Chief Williams was recommending that the city staff three stations instead of two without significantly increasing the number of firefighters by re-distributing the resources.  Mathiesen conceded that members of the union did go to Mayor Johnson to complain about these plans.  The union advocated that the city continue to have 4-man engine crews.  Mathiesen asserted that the overwhelming majority of engine crews in NYS municipalities are 3-man or less, not four.

Mathiesen noted that the parcel size is much more than would be required for a fire/EMS station.  He told me that his department hoped to use other parts of the property to meet other Public Safety Dept. needs.   He indicated that his department was considering putting a smaller, expandable facility on the east side first to house an ambulance due to possible budget constraints but giving the City important capacity to meet future needs.

Remigia Foy, at the last Council meeting, could not understand why the city was appropriating more money for the attorneys when the lawsuit was currently on hold pending the Attorney General’s inquiry results.  The attorneys are representing the city both in the lawsuit and in the Attorney General’s inquiry.  The attorneys have billed $69,631.66 .  The motion was for covering the costs so far plus additional moneys of $10,368.34 for any additional work that will need to be done.

According to Nixon Peabody, the plaintiffs’ (Foy/McTygue/Watkin) had written a letter to the judge requesting that there be a stay in the process until the Attorney General’s inquiry was completed.  They indicated that they had responded with a letter saying that the case should go forward and be resolved.  They noted that to actually stay the process, the plaintiffs would have had to file a motion which they had,  and the judge would have had to formally issue a decision and notified the parties of his action which he had not.  They said that the case was active and ongoing.


One of the things that I find most curious in these events is the appearance of Joseph Zappone offering over a million dollars for the property at the public comment period of the Council meeting.  In December of 2013, in a well publicized event, the City Council agreed to accept the original deal.  The amounts were publicized and generated a great deal of buzz.  It seems very strange that Mr. Zappone makes his appearance in August, some seven months later, on the night the Council meets to formalize the contracts.  The first question is where this man was for seven months.  Even stranger, at least by the statements made by the members of the Council, he did not contact any of them prior to the meeting.  If a person were serious about making this purchase, one would expect the person to attempt to have a civil and thoughtful discussion with the major players in order to explore what could be done in a less charged atmosphere where the speaker is limited to two minutes as is the case with the public comment period of a City Council meeting.  Using the public comment period to make a pitch to buy a million dollars worth of property does not seem to be the best way to go forward.