Do you know if he intends to release this on the city website or via the Saratoga Springs police Twitter? Seems like it would be a good idea considering the messaging as a call to unite, as well as admitting a lapse of judgement.
Nothing but unrepentant silence from BLM leader Lexis “suck my black d****” Figuereo or the woman who went to the media to falsely accuse the police of beating up her brother who instead they had in fact helped after he ran a red light and smashed into a truck. What kind of contrition or even acknowledgement that they had erred in any way have we heard from them?
We know that black people are NEVER wrong about anything. They live in the consequence free zone and the ‘progressive’ libs just keep greenlighting the behavior. Just disgusting.
@straightshooter: While I don’t condone Alexi’s foul words, I applaud the overall purpose of the march. The police and the city council have been unable to admit that they have ever acted in a racist fashion, which is ludicrous. We have all be racist at certain times in our lives. The march was non-violent. It’s important to remember that these marches are attended by individuals. We do not have 100% control over what every individual does or says, but overall, the march was orderly and on-violent. We pay the police force. We have a right to demand responsible and unbiased behavior. @NancyMuldoon… I’m amazed that you think black people live without consequence in this country. There is loads of evidence that they picked up more often by police and when brought to trial, given much heavier sentences. Compare George Floyd dying over counterfeit money vs. Trump’s numerous frauds (failure to pay contractors, evading taxes, and fomenting insurrections. He’s free, rich, and still supported by most Republicans. That’s disgusting.
He calls on all of us to work together, but he appears to mean we should just trust him and all the police. We should work with them, not the other way around. If he admit to even the possibility of racism on the force, if he continues to issue blanket denials, how can we trust that racism ever be uprooted?
Is that not the same as is happening on the other side. Elz stated he was open to the process of mediation that Commissioner Madigan suggested and has worked hard to get started. Then he posts things such as “We don’t need mediation, we need investigation” They of course are not mutually exclusive yet Caton is not the only person here and there are those who are working for change but get met with vitriol and resistance at every turn. I know it’s hard but if Elz really does want change a bit of cooperative effort on his side is needed.
I am not sure why John Catone’s calling on ‘all of us to work together’ would mean that he ‘he appears to mean we should just trust him and all the police’. And while laledavidson characterizes the local BLM marches as ‘non-violent and orderly’, it should be pointed out that they consistently have violated numerous local ordinances which others are expected to honor. Making dining patrons feel uncomfortable, flooding downtown with loud noise or blocking highways seems out of proportion to the level of overt or subtle racism that characterizes Saratoga Springs. I am sure that the SSPD and white people such as myself can learn a lot about the plight of our black neighbors. Most of us are willing to do so but we would rather deal with responsible, sober lectures rather than vile rants.
I fully support the BLM movement but I am very disappointed with the irresponsible rhetoric of local Black Lives Matter leadership. It should also be pointed out that the Daryl Mount case had nothing to do with racism. It was a case of alleged domestic violence which took place in the presence of two police officers. Those who proclaim that the police murdered Daryl Mount are absolutely wrong and are unfairly undermining the reputation of our cops. That is part of the reason for John Catone’s frustration.
Ms Davidson, no one is required to admit anything. The BLM activists accuse people of racism as a tactic to throw one off balance to cause psychological guilt. They like to call people fat, accuse people of smelling, a fascist, a Nazi, and otherwise attempt to put you on the defensive. Believing the propaganda is a form of weakness that is seized upon in order to win ground in the negotiation. The whole thing is straight out of the communist playbook. My preference would be to not have to run an anti-communist insurgency in my own backyard. There can be no legitimization of this behavior.
Darryl Mount smashed the head of a woman into a brick wall, then fled from the police. He died on the run during a domestic violence incident. That is his legacy. Let us remember those who died or live for more worthwhile endeavours.
Wow! Cato, you are an entrenched advocate of perpetuating white hegemony. Can you see any wrong in the behavior of your people towards people of color?
mlblogsmoishezinnia, I think you are projecting your own confusion. I am not sure what my statement has to do with ‘perpetuating white hegemony’. It is a simple statement of fact.
Why do you not chew on the philosophical concept and question below: Let me know what you think.
‘If I was being held against my will in Haiti, and no one would pay my ransom, attempt to rescue me, or take reprisal against those who would do me harm, would the Haitians share food with me?’
This comment from Cato that he’s masquerading as a “philosophical concept” is disgusting, and I’m actually shocked it was allowed to be posted as is. Why Haiti, and why are you being held against your will? Racist intent aside, this alleged “concept” sure sounds like jail to me, and I’m pretty sure we feed inmates, as do many other nations of different colors and creeds around the world. What point are you trying to make?
As to your first post, BLM activists point out racism not to “throw one off balance to cause psychological guilt,” but because it is an absolute fact that this country has a history of systemic racism towards black people. This is not debatable. From slavery to redlining, this country has sacrificed black people for the success of the larger white population, with repercussions that are still impacting today. Less public resources being allocated to minorities, the unequal treatment of black Americans in housing, healthcare, and hiring practices, and the over-policing and unequal sentencing reported across the country are not “propaganda,” but are facts.
I generally don’t agree with Cato and I certainly don’t agree with his post on Haiti. That said, not every comment made is race related – even when those on the receiving end are POC. The reality is that for some actions there are consequences and the color of one’s skin is not always a factor. Being a POC does not release one from those consequences so his comment about Daryl Mount’s behaviors would be the same if he had been white. If you are uncomfortable or even outraged at the investigation that ensued, you certainly have the right to be. However, to assume and repeat that the man was murdered is just as unprovable as it it that he wasn’t. The fact is he assaulted a woman and ran. What is it you would have had our police do – not chase based on his race. It goes both ways.
And, before some of you jump down my neck, I am 100% in favor of the overall BLM movement. I agree there is inequality. I agree something needs to be done -within all agencies and yes, likely in most of us. What I’m concerned about is that the first thing some look at when a POC is involved in an accusation of mistreatment. I dislike that just as I dislike any woman who immediately cries foul when she is reprimanded at work or receives a consequence of her actions. Even being treated poorly (different from blatantly mistreated) may have nothing to do with her gender yet many jump directly to that conclusion.
If we are to have cooler heads looking for a solution as opposed to blame we need to use stronger critical thinking, exploring each event on its’ own merits not in generalities. Then, and only then will those who are truly mistreated or abused be able to be taken seriously and get the justice they deserve,
Mike,
I think you are naive. The situation I described is a hostage situation where an impoverished group of people who lack the food to feed their own attempt to extract a concession by taking prisoners. Ethnic identity is a real concept, and you disregard it at your own peril. You do not know what you do not know, and there are a lot of cell phones and messages being passed during these rallies that may be causing ripple effects similar to the scenario that I presented to you. It is possible that some of the activists are using lives as leverage.
Cato
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Thanks to Asst. Chief Catone for this statement.
Chris Mathiesen
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Do you know if he intends to release this on the city website or via the Saratoga Springs police Twitter? Seems like it would be a good idea considering the messaging as a call to unite, as well as admitting a lapse of judgement.
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Sounds more like an admonition, not an act of contrition. Let’s hope Chief Crooks finds a more enlightened assistant when he soon retires.
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Nothing but unrepentant silence from BLM leader Lexis “suck my black d****” Figuereo or the woman who went to the media to falsely accuse the police of beating up her brother who instead they had in fact helped after he ran a red light and smashed into a truck. What kind of contrition or even acknowledgement that they had erred in any way have we heard from them?
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We know that black people are NEVER wrong about anything. They live in the consequence free zone and the ‘progressive’ libs just keep greenlighting the behavior. Just disgusting.
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@straightshooter: While I don’t condone Alexi’s foul words, I applaud the overall purpose of the march. The police and the city council have been unable to admit that they have ever acted in a racist fashion, which is ludicrous. We have all be racist at certain times in our lives. The march was non-violent. It’s important to remember that these marches are attended by individuals. We do not have 100% control over what every individual does or says, but overall, the march was orderly and on-violent. We pay the police force. We have a right to demand responsible and unbiased behavior. @NancyMuldoon… I’m amazed that you think black people live without consequence in this country. There is loads of evidence that they picked up more often by police and when brought to trial, given much heavier sentences. Compare George Floyd dying over counterfeit money vs. Trump’s numerous frauds (failure to pay contractors, evading taxes, and fomenting insurrections. He’s free, rich, and still supported by most Republicans. That’s disgusting.
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This just adds to the confusion.
Add up your sick time, personal time, etc. and pack it in.
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He calls on all of us to work together, but he appears to mean we should just trust him and all the police. We should work with them, not the other way around. If he admit to even the possibility of racism on the force, if he continues to issue blanket denials, how can we trust that racism ever be uprooted?
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Go gal, I’m with you!
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Is that not the same as is happening on the other side. Elz stated he was open to the process of mediation that Commissioner Madigan suggested and has worked hard to get started. Then he posts things such as “We don’t need mediation, we need investigation” They of course are not mutually exclusive yet Caton is not the only person here and there are those who are working for change but get met with vitriol and resistance at every turn. I know it’s hard but if Elz really does want change a bit of cooperative effort on his side is needed.
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I am not sure why John Catone’s calling on ‘all of us to work together’ would mean that he ‘he appears to mean we should just trust him and all the police’. And while laledavidson characterizes the local BLM marches as ‘non-violent and orderly’, it should be pointed out that they consistently have violated numerous local ordinances which others are expected to honor. Making dining patrons feel uncomfortable, flooding downtown with loud noise or blocking highways seems out of proportion to the level of overt or subtle racism that characterizes Saratoga Springs. I am sure that the SSPD and white people such as myself can learn a lot about the plight of our black neighbors. Most of us are willing to do so but we would rather deal with responsible, sober lectures rather than vile rants.
I fully support the BLM movement but I am very disappointed with the irresponsible rhetoric of local Black Lives Matter leadership. It should also be pointed out that the Daryl Mount case had nothing to do with racism. It was a case of alleged domestic violence which took place in the presence of two police officers. Those who proclaim that the police murdered Daryl Mount are absolutely wrong and are unfairly undermining the reputation of our cops. That is part of the reason for John Catone’s frustration.
Chris Mathiesen
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Ms Davidson, no one is required to admit anything. The BLM activists accuse people of racism as a tactic to throw one off balance to cause psychological guilt. They like to call people fat, accuse people of smelling, a fascist, a Nazi, and otherwise attempt to put you on the defensive. Believing the propaganda is a form of weakness that is seized upon in order to win ground in the negotiation. The whole thing is straight out of the communist playbook. My preference would be to not have to run an anti-communist insurgency in my own backyard. There can be no legitimization of this behavior.
Darryl Mount smashed the head of a woman into a brick wall, then fled from the police. He died on the run during a domestic violence incident. That is his legacy. Let us remember those who died or live for more worthwhile endeavours.
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Wow! Cato, you are an entrenched advocate of perpetuating white hegemony. Can you see any wrong in the behavior of your people towards people of color?
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mlblogsmoishezinnia, I think you are projecting your own confusion. I am not sure what my statement has to do with ‘perpetuating white hegemony’. It is a simple statement of fact.
Why do you not chew on the philosophical concept and question below: Let me know what you think.
‘If I was being held against my will in Haiti, and no one would pay my ransom, attempt to rescue me, or take reprisal against those who would do me harm, would the Haitians share food with me?’
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This comment from Cato that he’s masquerading as a “philosophical concept” is disgusting, and I’m actually shocked it was allowed to be posted as is. Why Haiti, and why are you being held against your will? Racist intent aside, this alleged “concept” sure sounds like jail to me, and I’m pretty sure we feed inmates, as do many other nations of different colors and creeds around the world. What point are you trying to make?
As to your first post, BLM activists point out racism not to “throw one off balance to cause psychological guilt,” but because it is an absolute fact that this country has a history of systemic racism towards black people. This is not debatable. From slavery to redlining, this country has sacrificed black people for the success of the larger white population, with repercussions that are still impacting today. Less public resources being allocated to minorities, the unequal treatment of black Americans in housing, healthcare, and hiring practices, and the over-policing and unequal sentencing reported across the country are not “propaganda,” but are facts.
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I generally don’t agree with Cato and I certainly don’t agree with his post on Haiti. That said, not every comment made is race related – even when those on the receiving end are POC. The reality is that for some actions there are consequences and the color of one’s skin is not always a factor. Being a POC does not release one from those consequences so his comment about Daryl Mount’s behaviors would be the same if he had been white. If you are uncomfortable or even outraged at the investigation that ensued, you certainly have the right to be. However, to assume and repeat that the man was murdered is just as unprovable as it it that he wasn’t. The fact is he assaulted a woman and ran. What is it you would have had our police do – not chase based on his race. It goes both ways.
And, before some of you jump down my neck, I am 100% in favor of the overall BLM movement. I agree there is inequality. I agree something needs to be done -within all agencies and yes, likely in most of us. What I’m concerned about is that the first thing some look at when a POC is involved in an accusation of mistreatment. I dislike that just as I dislike any woman who immediately cries foul when she is reprimanded at work or receives a consequence of her actions. Even being treated poorly (different from blatantly mistreated) may have nothing to do with her gender yet many jump directly to that conclusion.
If we are to have cooler heads looking for a solution as opposed to blame we need to use stronger critical thinking, exploring each event on its’ own merits not in generalities. Then, and only then will those who are truly mistreated or abused be able to be taken seriously and get the justice they deserve,
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Mike,
I think you are naive. The situation I described is a hostage situation where an impoverished group of people who lack the food to feed their own attempt to extract a concession by taking prisoners. Ethnic identity is a real concept, and you disregard it at your own peril. You do not know what you do not know, and there are a lot of cell phones and messages being passed during these rallies that may be causing ripple effects similar to the scenario that I presented to you. It is possible that some of the activists are using lives as leverage.
Cato
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We often see the same John Birch Society talking points from sixty years ago repeated here in comments.
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